You mentioned that you are using the linearization functionality of ADAMS model to get the tower modes. Would you mind to tell that under which menu in ADAMS I can find this functionality? (Our university has purchased the license). I would like to analyze the tower modes of a wires-guyed tower by using both ADAMS and BModes, and then compare the two results.

The ADAMS linearizations were run using the *_ADAMS_LIN.acf files generated through the FAST-to-ADAMS preprocessor. These ADAMS command files invoke a linearization analysis through the LINEAR/EIGNSOL command. More information is available in the “ADAMS Preprocessor” chapter of the old FAST User’s Guide: nwtc.nrel.gov/system/files/FAST.pdf.

I’m running the ADAMS solver from the ADAMS command prompt to calculate the “NRELOffshrBsline5MW_OC3Hywind” example in you FTP folder wind.nrel.gov/public/jjonkman/NR … Bsline5MW/, taking advantage of the A2AD functionality and the ADAMS_FAST preprocessor (I use the file “NRELOffshrBsline5MW_ADAMSSpecific.dat” included in your folder). However, a problem occurs as follows:

Before doing this, I have set up the A2AD interface (i.e., ADAMS2015_1_x64.dll) correctly using the CompileLinkA2AD.bat according to the guidance in FAST user’s manual. I have tested the Onshore wind turbine benchmark that the calculated time history results between FAST and ADAMS are almost same.

However, for the offshore case it fails to work correctly. Do you know what may cause this problem, according to the screenshot? Have I missed some settings in the ADAMS_FAST preprocessor or the ADAMS software for this offshore wind turbine case?

It is been years since I’ve ran MSC.ADAMS, but I do recall receiving that error on occasion. If I recall correctly, I’ve had some success with suggestion (3) i.e. playing with the ERROR argument.

Dear Jason,
We have solved this problem. To get rid of the above errors, one need to change the “Tstart” value in the *.fst file into a small number, e.g., zero, and the “error” value in the *acf file into a larger number.

Is there anyone explain how the BModes impose boundary condition to calculate the tower mode shape of FOWT? I have two version of BModes. One does not contain the source code and there is hydro_M, hydro_K and mooring_K in the input file, while the other does not have capabilty for offshore system (or I couldn’t see it). I couldn’t figure it out by examining what I have.

I just wonder the calculation methodology of BModes for the tower mode shape of FOWT?

The version of BModes with input parameters hydro_M, hydro_K, and mooring_K is the one you want when calculating tower mode shapes for floating offshore wind turbines (FOWTs). In this verison, the tower is cantilevered at its base to a six degree of freedom (DOF) rigid body (the floating platform), with associated 6x6 added mass (hydro_M), hydrostatic stiffness (hydro_K), and mooring stiffness (mooring_K) matrices.

The floating version of BModes is called BModesJJ in the following forum topic: http://forums.nrel.gov/t/run-bmodes-with-hydrodynamic-effect/690/8. As mentioned on that forum topic, due to the departure of Gunjit Bir from the NREL and his use of a proprietary eigensolver in BModesJJ that we don’t have access to, NREL is also currently unable to recompile BModesJJ.

I have some questions about the use of BModes:
1) I run the BModes with the input file OC3Hywind.bmi which is downloaded from [url]http://wind.nrel.gov/public/jjonkman/BModes/[/url]. When I checked the results, I found that the frequencies of the first several modes are very small (see the attachment), why? If I want to calculate the coefficiens ( TwFAM1Sh(i)and TwSSM1Sh(i) ) used to decide the mode shapes in EalstoDyn tower input file, how to choose the modes from the results?
2) When BModes is used to calculate the tower modes of a floating offshore wind turbine, how to set the value of [b]hub_conn[/b] ? 2 or1?
3) I want to calculate the tower modes of a floating offshore wind turbine, my tower and turbine is the same as those of OC3Hywind, but my tower base is 15m above MSL, so in my input file, the [b]radius[/b] is 92.6, the [b]hub_rad[/b] is 0 and the [b]draft[/b] is -15. Isn't it right?
Best regards

eigenvalue( 1) = 0.237266D+08 mode 1 frequency = 0.008118
eigenvalue( 2) = 0.237267D+08 mode 2 frequency = 0.008118
eigenvalue( 3) = 0.378574D+09 mode 3 frequency = 0.032428
eigenvalue( 4) = 0.556341D+09 mode 4 frequency = 0.039311
eigenvalue( 5) = 0.556782D+09 mode 5 frequency = 0.039327
eigenvalue( 6) = 0.522816D+10 mode 6 frequency = 0.120510
eigenvalue( 7) = 0.834905D+11 mode 7 frequency = 0.481579
eigenvalue( 8) = 0.867022D+11 mode 8 frequency = 0.490754
eigenvalue( 9) = 0.887017D+12 mode 9 frequency = 1.569693
eigenvalue( 10) = 0.151650D+13 mode 10 frequency = 2.052434
eigenvalue( 11) = 0.234819D+13 mode 11 frequency = 2.553970
eigenvalue( 12) = 0.129696D+14 mode 12 frequency = 6.002227
eigenvalue( 13) = 0.144491D+14 mode 13 frequency = 6.335328
eigenvalue( 14) = 0.232303D+14 mode 14 frequency = 8.032979
eigenvalue( 15) = 0.817870D+14 mode 15 frequency = 15.072697
eigenvalue( 16) = 0.833302D+14 mode 16 frequency = 15.214225
eigenvalue( 17) = 0.149830D+15 mode 17 frequency = 20.400834
eigenvalue( 18) = 0.302480D+15 mode 18 frequency = 28.986582
eigenvalue( 19) = 0.304189D+15 mode 19 frequency = 29.068344
eigenvalue( 20) = 0.404764D+15 mode 20 frequency = 33.531256

When you run BModes to derive tower mode shapes for towers atop floating platforms, not only does BModes compute tower mode shapes, but it also computes modes associated with the platform motion. For the results for the OC3Hywind.bmi model, the first two modes correspond to the platfom surge and sway motions; the first fore-aft and side-to-side modes of the tower show up as modes 7 and 8.

Normally I’d expect that hub_conn would be set to 2 when analyzing towers atop floating platforms in BModes (to enable the full 6 degrees of freedom of the platform).

Dear Jason,
I am going to generate new mode shapes of the OC4 offshore wind turbine supported by the jacket using BModes as the boundary conditions have been altered. I have not found any post relative to this issue. I would be pleased if you can help me on following questions;

Is that correct to use BModes OC3hywind for the purpose above considering BModes user guide ?

As the jacket is the interested structure, do we only have to replace the values of the hydro_M and hydro_K yielded from Subdyn ? and will the mooring_K matrix take 0 values for all elements?
Best regards,

I am currently looking at the IEA 15 MW turbine, I am calculating the natural frequency using BModes. Could I know how can I find the cm_loc, cm_axial, ixx_tip, iyy_tip, izz_tip, ixy_tip, izx_tip, iyz_tip" which are input for the .bmi file.

You can find those quantities in Table 5-1 in the IEA Wind 15-MW report. However, there is a known issue with the summation of the moments of inertia (see Github Issue here). I am working on a more reliable estimate, but it will be a bit before it is ready to go.

I am trying to better understand the body-weight restoring into elements (4,4) and (5,5) of hydro_k in Bmodes.

I see from WAMIT’s manual that C(4,4) and C(5, 5) contain -mgz_g where m is supposedly the platform mass, and z_g its CM z coordinate.
So if we modify these terms by adding -MtotgZ_Gtot, (Mtot=mass of the entire system except for mooring), wouldn’t it double count the contribution from the platform?
Thank you in advance.

You should use the full-system mass and center of mass to derive the hydro_k in BModes (what you refer to as Mtot and Z_Gtot). The WAMIT documentation implies this as well, as it is generally referring to oil and gas platforms, whose platform mass is effectively the full-system mass.